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Remik95

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 09:08

Hello Frank.N,

Your message make me feel better, i was affraid that CPU is gone

I will check cables between CPU and discs.

I will try do to what you tell me with the battery, and i will install rack for battery like many person do, i think it's better.

Next etap after it, will be to find what happen with coins ramp. Coins stuck in mechanism, but mechanism is full of WD40, it's smell.

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 10:28

Hi again Frank.

First, i want to say you THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your help (in addition, in english !). If you come to Cracow one day, come drink a coffee and lost some DM in the automat at home :)

Second, i wanted say that it's work ! I took of battery, i weld new rack for battery amd i took new battery and my little tool for reset and "bip bip" !

I took some coins inside, with think it will not work and... "bip bip bip tut tut tut" ;hüpf

it's work !

I made some film, i think all is ok..? : https://youtube.com/shorts/MUofjnf3dMc?feature=share

I have few more questions.. If you have time.. ?

- The lock is broke, previous owner drilled it for can open. I found on ebay.de used one for 59,90 euros + 12,90 euros shipping. It's really a lot for me, is it any chance to build or adapt something else time i find an other, but cheaper ?
- How the game is working... ? I translated the user guide in French but i don't understand everything..... Nothing for be honest.. And i never played with machine like it in past, only with slots machine in casino one time..

Thanks !

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 12:27

The ramp for the coins is broke in down and a lot of coins are "lost" on the righ of mecanism.

When i take manually coin directly to the mechanism (in end of slide), it's work, but not with all coins. For example 10 pfennig fall directly on coins return, but with 5 DM it's work.

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 13:28

Hi Remik95,
pleased that it work! ;dance

A cheap alternative lock is made from Michel in the neighborhood forum with an 3D-Plastic-Printer:
https://www.geldspielfreunde.de/forum/in…2224#post312224
So try to write him per PM (Personal Message) for this... (in german it is PN for "Persönliche Nachricht")

For the coin ramp there are clips (number 2) on the front an backside of the coin ramp mechanism so you can get the ramp out...
Look at my photo how to disassemble the coin tower.

To write down the gameplay in english is very time-consuming.The better chance is to scan or take photos of the paper manual you have and then to translate this with google translator...

GreetingsFrank

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 13:32

Hi Remik95,
after diassembly of the coin comparator try to clean it.
To test it put it on a table an try the coins to see how it works...
This mechanical coin comparators work without electronic so you can test them without the machine.
Greetings
Frank

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 13:43

Hi,
Thanks, i wrote him message just now. I asked him too if maybe he can print the coin ramp.

Ok, i will clean the mechanism, thanks for the advice and how to take it of :)

Anotther ask, what gind of oil / grease can i use for coin separator ?

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 14:08

Hi Remik95,
the coin comparator needs no oil or grease and never use it... try to clean it with 99% alcohol (isopropanol) than its fine.
I think with a good glue you can repair the coin ramp, otherwise ask here and in the neighborhood forum if someone has one in stock...
Greetings
Frank

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 14:10

Ok ! It's smell WD40, maybe that is the reason why it's trouble too..
Thanks, i will try glue the ramp and let you know !

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 14:19

Hi Remik95,
yes WD40 can be the reason that the coin comparator not correctly work...
And as i said try to put the main coin comparator on a table an look how the scales for 2DM, 1DM and 10 Pfennig work.
If the coin is accepted it will fall to the right side in one of the separated grooves, if not accepted to the left side (a not separated groove)...

The plastic ramp is combined with the 5DM coin comparator (that is the above scale)...
Greetings
Frank

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 14:33

Yep, i took it off, its look like it's working good. But it's dirty. I will clean it.
I bought glue for plastic, i will try :)

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Freitag, 9. Dezember 2022, 18:55

Glad that it's running! Very good help from Frank! ;bravo

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 10:17

Hello !

So the machine is on the wall and work, but not perfectly.

When i take 10 pfennig, coin is returned in 99% of time
1 mark, 80% of time is returned
2 mark, 50% of time is returned
5 mark, 50% of time returned

When coin is not returned, half of the time it's stay stuck inside coin comparator.

I draw on pic where coins stay stuck..

I cleaned all with alcohol 2-3 times.
Coins was clean with ultrasonic.
Same coin can work one time and second time don't work.
Any idea?

On table, comparator work fine with 0,10dm 1dm 2dm
On table the first comparator for 5dm work fine too..

Thanks

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 11:30

You can adjust the coin controller. You can try a little with the screw in the middle, which you see on the 2nd picture on the right lower side. However, when trying you should memorise how much you haved turned the screw into which direction, so that if it doesn't work you can reset it.

BTW: Have you tried with Euros? Maybe the coin controller had already been adapted to Euros!?

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 11:35

Hello again,

I tested and cleaned one more time the coin comparator.
I tested it with few more coins, i had to set the screw A for all 1 mark fit perfectly (@discomet, i started wrote this message before your answer, but thanks for the advice! I tried with euros and doesnt work).
On table, it's perfect.
Only one thing, for 10 pfennig, they are often returned because in back, one plate is not pushed on the comparator. I didnt find how to solve it.

I took on the machine and all coins are returned.

I saw its one thing on the machine, i don't know what, i show it on pic with scredriwer. If i let it push with screwdriver inside hole, it's work.
But.. sometimes i have alarm, so i guess this is for alarm?
Without screwdriver in hole, i have trouble..

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 12:24

This part of the coin controller is the so-called "Münzsperre" (coin blocker). It is connected to a coil and respective magnet. When the machine is ready (directly after the "tut-tut" and the lamp at the coin slot turns on ), the coil should pull the blocker back so that the coins can run through the controller into the right slots. With the blocker in the controller, the coins will always fail.

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 12:28

So the blocker don't work like it should.

Can i bypass it by block it "open" ?

Or maybe it's any knowed trouble with it ? Can i test it?

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 13:08

Cannot remember to have had problems with it. Maybe the coil is decrepit. If everything is running apart from that, you can surely fix the blocker so that it is not grabbing into the controller. However, usually the blocker also indicates when the machine is functioning well and when it is ready to play and receive money.

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 13:22

Hi Remik95,
the coin blocker only works with coin comparator installed.
The coin comparator pushes the blocker arm 2 or 3 mm inside the coin tower so the magnetism on the coil can switch the coin blocker arm...
If the coin comparator is not installed try to push the coin arm with your screwdriver 2 or 3 mm into the coin tower and you will see that it will switch.
If the coil from the coin blocker is dead, every coin is not accepted....

Greetings
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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 14:13

Hello Franck :)

I made a video of what happen.

Until i don't push the return button, all work fine, when i push it, the plate in back don't back on it initial position as i show here https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QNVn834cHrk

It's same when coin comparator is inside machine (after push one time return buttn i must take off coin comparator and push on plate and reinstal it).

Thanks :)

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Freitag, 16. Dezember 2022, 14:22

This looks like as if the compensator (Wippe) at the right is resinified. It sticks somewhere and maybe needs further cleaning. You can also use a little bit of a lubricant like silicone spray at the links.

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